OmniFocus and Things: A comparison

tl;dr

Things for design and and an ultrafast sync but you have to follow a certain way to be able to work with it and it can clutter up fast. OmniFocus for flexibility and when you have more than a dozen active projects but it’s not as nice looking.

Introduction

This text shall be about OmniFocus and Things. It is not definitive and I probably miss features since I will write here as objective as possible how those two Mac-applications and their iPhone-counterparts present themself to me and to my workflow.

I guess the best is to tell you where I come from. In 2005 I got introduced by a colleague to GTD („Since I am using it, my desk is always tidied up and I always have backup batteries for my Bluetooth mouse“). He lent me the book, I read it and I was sold.

I started with a modified moleskine (something like this), used a Hipster PDA but was never really happy with the solutions. On my Mac I tried iGTD, kGTD (the precursor to OmniFocus, essentially a pimped OmniOutliner-document) and some other stuff. When Things became public I used it happily and when they released the iPhone-version I was in heaven. I had a look or two at OmniFocus (henceforth OF) when it got released but it looked always ugly and far too complex.

So I used Things and was always happy but I got unhappier. The always promised over-the-air sync (henceforth OTA-sync) didn’t get released, the updates were slow and stuff like the tagging-UI on the iPhone drove me nuts. So I had again a look around and suddenly OF didn’t look that bad anymore and I bought with it over two years ago the iPhone-app, too. I also bought an ebook about it and read loads if articles because I wanted to get the most out of it.

So after approximately three years I switched from Things completely to OmniFocus. Now it is two years later and because of the looks of Things I was still interested in it and recently I decided to give it another chance.

And what I found I will write up here.

Mapping features

There are some features which are similar in both apps but different enough that I have to explain them here to make the rest of the article easier to understand.

Contexts vs Tags

Things uses tags, OmniFocus uses contexts. When you know GTD, you know that a task should usually be associated with a project and a context. A project is something you try to achieve (clean up the garage, publish a podcast etc) what needs several steps. The single steps of a project are the tasks. A context is depending on definition a location (home, work, at the computer, at the phone) or state you are in (highly focused, zombie). In OmniFocus you can only add one context per task. You can have them divided like Errands and then a ton of subcontexts like the supermarkets but that’s it. One context per task, as it is written in the book. In addition you can add a duration, and a flag to a task.

Things on the other hand has tags. Therefore you can add unlimited tags to a task and use it for durations, priorities etc. tags can also be hierarchical like the contexts on OF, two levels, that’s it.

I will write more about the weaknesses and advantages of both later.

Start Dates vs Scheduling a Task

In OF you can set a start date for a task. That means that the task will be marked as inactive until it reaches it start date.

In Things you can schedule a task which means that it will be marked as scheduled (kinda like inactive) and it turns up in a daily review sheet when it reaches the date and then you can decide what to do with it. The two main options are „show in today“ (a view for tasks in Things for tasks which are due, overdue and you decided on todo today) and later (reschedule it) but you can also modify the task in any way you like.

For the purpose of this articles when I speak about start dates I mean in terms of Things the scheduling of a task.

Inactive vs Someday

In OF you can set a context (all tasks with that context are inactive), task or project to inactive. Depending on your filters it won’t show up then. There is a similar feature in Things which is called Someday. You can place a project or a task there and it will be removed from the side bar and the projects view on the iPhone and will turn up only when you switch to the Someday-view.

When I talk about setting something inactive I mean in terms of Things that I move it to someday.

The Design

Things looks better. No doubt about that. The desktop-app and the iPhone-app are well designed in terms of looks. OmniFocus on the Mac has support for themes and there is a plethora available and I even use custom icons from Icons & Coffee but nothing gets OmniFocus to look as polished as Things. On the iPhone it is not even themeable. But at least the OmniGroup gave it nicer looking icons on the Mac and on the iPhone which is at least something. The OF2 α looks better than OF1 but it still is not at the level of Things. Looks are important for me because I want to look at nice things when I use something all the time.

Entering Tasks

Both applications on the Mac have quick input windows which work fine and have auto-completions. There are workflows for Alfred for both which work fine. The only difference is that I can’t add a start date in Things but I can do so in OmniFocus.

On the iPhone both apps have a universally available button for pulling up the „enter a task-sheet“.

But they differ in some ways and here the way both apps work start to diverge.

OmniFocus

When OmniFocus does a „cold“ start aka wasn’t in the background, it always optimizes the database. When your database has a certain size, this can take up to a minute in my experience. Since I am archiving my tasks on a regular basis it’s often a max. of a view seconds. Anyway in this time the sheet misses the ability to put in a project or task. So, that can be annoying.

If OmniFocus was in the background you can do everything incl. making recurring tasks and it even lets you attach a photo or an audio-recording. The only thing missing is a way to add a duration.

When entering a project or a context, a new view is pulled up that lists all projects or all contexts and you get a fuzzy search that searches while you type. I usually only need to type in a few letters and it is filtered down to a point where I see what I search.

Maildrop

When you use the Omni Sync Server as a way to sync your todos OTA (you can also use your own WebDAV-server), you can use the OmniFocus Mail Drop (which you find in your sync server account page). This means that you get a mail-address and when you send something to this mail address it gets added to your inbox when you sync the next time. The subject becomes the task, the body a note of the task.

I use this often when I am on my phone and find some interesting piece of software or video which I want to have a look at, when I am on my Mac. And app.net-, twitter- and RSS-clients and browsers on iOS have usually an easy way to share something via e-mail. It’s really fast. And as I noticed it is kind of a dealbreaker when I have a look at other todo-apps.

Things

In Things on the iPhone I can add a task, set a due date and project it belongs to, add tags and a note and schedule it. No way to make it a repeating task, add a photo or audio recording.

In addition for adding details to a task (like tags, note, due date) you have to do an extra tap to open the details. It feels like they discourage entering those details when you are entering a task. It might feel a bit cleaner than with OF but it also discourages you to think about it already when you are putting it in the first place imho. When you have a task in the inbox and get its details-view, you can move it but need to push the edit-button to add tags for example. One more thing thatched me think that CulturedCode (henceforth CC) discourages you to use those. When I used Things a lot I often didn’t enter tags on the iPhone, one reason was that it is hidden until you actively want to use them.

When I started to use OF I suddenly started to actively use contexts because it was right in front of me and I thought about where I actually have to do this. And therefore I could filter for it easily later.

The next problem with Things is that tags and projects are list views without a search. You can reorder them (and have to do so manually) to have the most used tags on top but I wouldn’t enter sub-tags of Errands for several supermarkets for example because it clutters up the list and I need ages to find what I search. And remember you also do priorities and durations with tags. But that’s missing one of the big advantages of tags: I can apply multiple of them to one task in contrast to OF. But I wouldn’t add a lot because it clutters up the list. It’s not a problem on the Mac though because there tags auto-complete when you add them to a task.

The same problem have projects. When you have more than let’s say 15 projects it becomes a hassle to get to the correct one. This will be a problem in the next section of this article, too.

Folders, Areas of Responsibilities and Projects

In both applications you have projects and they work similar. They group tasks (OF bad even the ability to enter sub-tasks to a task but I did not yet find a real use case for me). In both cases they can have notes, start and due dates, can be repeated and scheduled.

The first important thing to note is that projects in Things cannot contain recurring tasks. CC says that projects are something definite that is not ongoing and thus they shouldn’t have recurring tasks. They probably never had a project which took up only a short while like a few weeks where you had to do a specific task every day of the project.

But in Things you have Areas of Responsibility. You can group there projects and recurring tasks. So for big projects the best thing would be to create an Area of Responsibility and add there the smaller projects that are part if the big one and recurring tasks which belong to the big project. But I wouldn’t want to create an Area for a small project.

In OmniFocus you have folders to organize your projects. I use them like Areas in Things and have folders like „home“, „work“, „university“, „administration“ etc.

One big difference is that tasks in Things can actually have no project associated with them, while in OF it always has to have project. My „project-less“ tasks are in a project called „Misc“. When I moved from Things to OF I had to get accustomed to this and when I tried Things again I had to get accustomed to the fact that tasks do not need a project and therefore the project Misc. is not necessary. Btw. most of my repeating tasks live there. So it is actually a minor annoyance that Things doesn’t allow repeating tasks in a project. But it will be one of the pieces of my conclusion.

There are two more differences regarding projects and their organization.

Parallel and Sequential Projects

In OF projects can be parallel or sequential. In a parallel project you can do the task in any order you like, the top most is the „next task“ though (important for filters), while in sequential projects only the top most task is the next one.

I have for example projects when I have get a bill from the doc with the following tasks: write the letter for the insurance, put in an envelope and write the address on it, bring it to the post office, wait for the money on the bank account (due a three days before the bill is due), transfer the money.
The waiting for-task is an inactive task (like all my tasks with the waiting for-context) because I won’t do anything until I get the money or I really have to transfer the money. So all tasks after that are inactive as well which is good for filters when I want to see only active tasks. But when the inactive task becomes due it will turn up anyway in my due tasks.

In Things however there are only parallel projects in terms of OF. Which can be quite annoying. To explain that I have to explain a view in Things. I will get into more detail about views later.

There is a view in Things called Next. In there are all tasks listed that are not in someday, ordered by project and at the bottom are all scheduled tasks (except on the iPhone where a scheduled repeating project is listed with the other projects but I guess that’s a bug). Now I have my project with the bill from the doc. Guess what, the task after the waiting for task is listed there, as well as the project itself. Even so there is no task that is actually active right now. So it just clutters up the next view.

I thought for a long time that sequential projects are not necessary but when they help to filter stuff and get an overview they are quite some help. I already had also the case where I had a parallel project and suddenly couldn’t continue until I got an e-mail from someone. So I added a waiting for-task, made the project sequential and all tasks became inactive and some perspectives (the term for special view in OF) became cleaned up.

At last there is the side bar. Both applications, OF and Things have a sidebar where they list projects and in the case of Things some special views (Today, Next, Someday, Schedule – but more about that later). Things doesn’t have folders but the aforementioned Areas of Responsibilities.

In OF I Put my tasks into projects and most projects into folders. And I can fold the folders and the projects are removed out of the view. I see only the folder.

In Things there are no folders. So the more projects you have, the more projects you see in that sidebar. Putting a project into an Area doesn’t allow you to remove it from the sidebar. Clicking on an Area just shows you all projects and tasks associated with it. If you have a lot of projects, at some point eve. The areas get out of the sidebar and you have to scroll. More clutter. It works fine when you have only a few but I tend to have rather more than view because I have projects for each podcast-episode (that’s two), big blog entries that need research, several projects for my master thesis, upcoming birthdays of friends and relatives, home projects, administrative projects and so on. If you think a bit about it, you can get really fast to a lot of projects. And it is easy to clean your views up in OF, in Things it is not possible.

Templates

Both applications don’t allow template-projects but I will shortly describe what my solution to the problem is.

Templates in OF

I have a folder Templates and in there a couple of inactive projects (one for tidying up the apartment, one for paying a doctors bill, one for a new podcast-episode etc).
Usually they are done like „Doctors bill [date of bill]“ or „Retrozirkel [episode name]“ (the podcast I am part of).
When it’s time, I duplicate it, make it active, change the part of the name in the brackets and move it into the according folder. Afterwards I add due dates to the project and the tasks if necessary.

Templates in Things

In Things I have the templates stored in Someday and tagged them with „template“. The rest is the same as in OF, I just remove additionally the word template of course and move it to the according Area.

I like the folder a bit more because I can fold it up and don’t have them clutter up the someday list. But since I do not have that many templates, it is not really a problem in Things. But I can see that it might be really annoying for a power user of templates.

Contexts and Tags

I wrote already in the introduction and in the part about entering tasks about contexts and tags. Here I want to discuss how they actually work out.

To freshen up your memory, contexts in GTD are some kind of location where a task can happen. The word location is pretty broad like „home“ or „phone“. There are new ideas out there that move contexts from location to something like state of mind since many people can do their work everywhere. Nowadays you are pretty much all the time online, so why have an online-context? And you carry your phone all the time with you, so why a phone-context. And our phones can do most of the stuff our computers can do, so a computer-context becomes redundant, too. Therefore you can come up with contexts like „focus“ or „zombie“ (you know, right after waking up and before your first coffee). But I think you get now the idea.

Contexts

OmniFocus uses contexts which can be hierarchically in two levels. I have as written before a context called Errands and sub-contexts of supermarkets and other shops. Or I have a library-context and several sub-contexts which bear the name of the library. In OmniFocus I can go now to the contexts-view and select „Errands“ and it will me show all errands. When I select „Errands/Postal office“ it will show me all those. In a search for Errands all tasks within the current view that belong to the context or one of its subcontexts.

Unfortunately OmniFocus doesn’t allow multiple contexts. Why multiple contexts you might wonder. When I do research it is not uncommon that I find books that are available in several libraries and not only in one. So I would like to create a task that says „get book so and so“ and add all libraries in which it is available as a context (and add the signatures in the notes-field). That is not possible with OmniFocus.

There are ideas to add tags to OmniFocus for something like this via the notes-field but it is just a work around and nothing more. Regrettably it doesn’t seem that OmniFocus 2 will add tags, judging from the current Alpha.

Tags

Things uses tags which can be organized hierarchically like the contexts in OmniFocus. Unlimited metadata \o/

But it doesn’t work as well, as one would think. And my latest mail-exchange with a support-guy from CC doesn’t let me think that this will change. Anyway, why doesn’t work it that well?

On the one hand there is the input-problematic on the iPhone. I at least enter a lot of tasks into the iPhone-version because when something comes into my mind, I put it into my iPhone. The trusted inbox, you know. But there it’s this extra tap and the bad UI I described above that I do not really want to enter tags there.

On the other hand there is the problem is a matter of the hierarchical tags. Let’s say I add to a task the two tags: „Central“ and „State“ which are both sub-tags of „library“. In the UI of Things it will show me the tag „library“ with a hint that there are sub-tags and then I can open them specifically and filter for those. Or I click on „library“ and it will filter it correctly. But when I search for library, it won’t show me tasks that have only a sub-tag of library.

And both in combination don’t really let me use tags in Things, even so they should be superior to the contexts of OmniFocus.

Search

Both apps have a search. But it works quite differently. Even so I usually start with the OmniFocus-part, I will this time start with Things. Things‘ search is great. On the Mac it is always in the lower right and it always searches all projects etc, independent from the view you are in. Results come up while you are typing and are ordered by Inbox, Next, Scheduled, Logged and Trash and you can filter the search-results by tag. On the iPhone it is available on the first screen of the application with, you just have to scroll up and is a universal search, too. When you start typing it shows an extra bar that says „Title“, „Notes“, „Tags“, „All“ for doing a bit of filtering. As written above there seems to be a bug though with scheduled repeated projects on the iPhone. The only thing that bothers me is the tag-search I described in the previous section

On OmniFocus search is available universally as well but it only searches your current view. Therefore when you are in the Inbox and you start searching, it will show you only results from the Inbox. You have to go to a view that shows you all task to search over all tasks. I never understood that. Usually when I search, I don’t want to filter first and then search but want to search and maybe filter when I can’t find it.

On the iPhone there is an extra search-view which searches everywhere but it is not search as you type and it doesn’t search for contexts. So it is far inferior to the search in Things.

But the way both apps are constructed lead at least for me to the following: Since I usually give every task a context and a project in OmniFocus everything is well ordered and because of the weaknesses of the search, I rarely use the search but still find everything very fast because I usually know to which project a task belongs and it every phone call that I have to make is in the context phone.

In Things the search is so good that I really like to search but because of it can’t find the parent tag of a sub-tag it has kind of a bad taste for me. In addition I do not have everything as well sorted since it doesn’t really encourage you like OF to give everything a project and a tag.

Due Dates and Times

The next thing I want to write about are Due Dates. I am not sure anymore if the book Getting Things Done mentions due dates. Tasks shouldn’t have one if possible. Because usually stuff with a specific time or date is an appointment and not a task, thus it should be in your calendar and not in your todo-list.

OmniFocus has due dates and times. It defaults to a day at 7 pm. You can change the time though. The task will turn orange (and an icon badge will appear) when the task is due soon which is a time period set in the preferences between 24 hours and 7 days.

When a task becomes due and therefore overdue you get a notification and it will turn red, as will the icon badge.

In my experience the icon badge on the iPhone will only turn up for due soon tasks, when you open the app while a task is due soon. So not opening the app will only give you a notification when the task is due and then add the badge.

Things allows only due dates. When a task is due it will turn up in your daily review and the iPhone will remind you that there are due tasks at a set time (like 8 am in the morning). But you can’t give tasks a due time. Hence you have to rely on another app for that, like the built-in app Reminders or the great app Due.

I have to say that I don’t like that I have to have two apps for that. I often create tasks like „phone person x“ and set a due date some time today. So I see it all the time at the badge that there is something to do but I will get an additional reminder at a certain point of time. In Things I have to create that task and do it a second time in Due. Or leave it out of Things (and therefore don’t have it in the project and logged that I did it, when I did it) and have it only in one app. Sure it’s kind of a first world problem but it annoys me. And to be honest being able to decide between OmniFocus and Things is a first world thing, too.

And CC mentioned several times that they won’t change it because a task shouldn’t have a due time. But it is something I could live with, it is just inconvenient.

Reviews

You should review your projects and tasks in a regular interval. The idea is that you do not loose oversight and you think about what might need an update (additional tasks or cross off tasks that are done or not necessary anymore). There are people who do it daily, I do it weekly on the weekend. When I have really a lot to do I do it daily.

OmniFocus supports you in doing reviews. You can determine a time how often a project should be reviewed (n days, weeks, months, years) and when you hit the Review-button, you will be presented with a list of projects and the tasks they contain which are up for review. You go through them and can mark them for review.

I have a repeating project for my weekly and monthly review. The weekly review contains not only stuff like „review projects“ but also tasks like review previous and upcoming calendar data. The monthly review contains tasks that I have to do monthly like set up your budget or do a backup of you website.

OmniFocus 2 will have a new review-view which is apparently taken from the iPad-version (which seems to be awesome from what I’ve read). From what I’ve seen so far I like it but since it’s in its early stages I cannot say a lot about it now.

Things, like most To-Do-apps doesn’t support reviews at all. It has a daily review which will show you in your Today-view all tasks that are due today or are scheduled for today but that’s it. I have my weekly review-project. But it means that I always have to review all projects because keeping track of what when to review is cumbersome. It doesn’t matter when you only have ten projects, but with many projects it is not feasible imho.

Perspectives and Views

Things offers several views. Inbox, Today, Next, Scheduled, Someday, Projects, all Active Projects, all Areas, the Logbook and the Trash.

The Inbox is the inbox. Quick Entry defaults to the Inbox and the way the Entry-sheet is designed on the iPhone tasks put in there usually land here, too. Today is a view where you see all overdue and due-tasks and tasks you decided you want to do today. Next is a list of all active tasks and projects, Scheduled shows you scheduled and repeating tasks and is the only view were you can create repeating tasks (remember they can’t belong to a project), Projects shows you all Projects sorted by Areas of Responsibility, a click on a project shows you all tasks in it, a click on a single Area shows you all projects and scheduled tasks in it. The Logbook all logged tasks and the Trash all tasks which are in the Trash. That’s it. When I used Things a lot I lived basically in the Today-view. In the morning I looked through the next-list, selected all tasks I wanted to do today and from then on it was usually the today-view or maybe a project I was working on. When the Today-view was empty I got me new tasks from the Next-view. And there was a big maybe that I filtered the Next-view for tags (because, well I said enough about tag-entry on the iPhone, didn’t I?).

Let’s talk about Perspectives in OmniFocus. Or better not, I will give here only a brief abstract about them. Perspectives are one, if not the most powerful feature in OmniFocus. Merlin Mann did a 56 minute talk about them, if you are really interested.

Perspectives allow you to create any view on your projects and tasks you want. I have for example a today-view which has no side-bar, and shows only the tasks that are flagged, overdue and due today. Or there is the predefined context-view that shows you in the sidebar all contexts. And clicking on them will give you a list of tasks. Or you could create an inbox-view that shows you only the inbox and nothing else, not even the toolbar. You can essentially setup your window a way you want it, take a snapshot and when you want that presentation of tasks and projects you choose the perspective.

Perspectives can only be created on the Mac but can be synced to the iPhone. Because of perspectives you can essentially emulate any view of Things in OmniFocus and make it as clean or as cluttered as you want.

OTA-Sync

I want to talk only about the over-the-air-sync here. Things didn’t have it for a long time but has it now. And howly mowly it is damn fast. You can type a task on your iPhone or Mac and see it turn up on the other side more or less instantaneously. But you have to rely on CC for it because you have to use their infrastructure (for free).

The sync of OmniFocus can be fast and pretty slow. It is never as fast as the sync from Things or at least doesn’t appear as fast. When you want to keep it fast, you should archive your tasks on a monthly basis (one of the tasks in the monthly review project) and sync all your clients on a regular basis. Yeah, that one rarely used laptop can make a difference.

But if you want to use your own infrastructure, you can sync with a WebDAV-server of your choice and do not have to rely on Omnis sync server. But if you use Omnis sync server you can use the above mentioned Mail Drop which is ingenious in my opinion.

But the sync of Things is really neat. Rome wasn’t built in a day, too.

Conclusion

Now coming to an end with this big comparison. And you probably can guess that I will keep using OmniFocus. It is very flexible and powerful. But as I have written in the introduction I read (most of) a book and a lot of articles about it. It has a steep learning curve. And you really should have read Getting Things Done by David Allen when you want to use OmniFocus. But while it is heftily invested in GTD it doesn’t take the book word by word (but with contexts unfortunately) and seems to see it more as a guideline. Henceforth it allows you to model things to your way to get things done.

Things on the other hand is clean and easy to use from the get go. It hides stuff like tags and therefore looks clean. If you have more than 20 projects it becomes fast unclean and cluttered.

I always have the feeling the people from CulturedCode have a specific way to do Getting Things Done and if you want to strife from that way, you have a problem and need workarounds or can’t do it all. I do not even understand their reasoning. They say that tasks shouldn’t have a due time but at the same moment they allow tags (which aren’t „pure GTD“).

If good looks and a really fast sync are important to you and you do not have a lot of projects and don’t care about having a second app running for your tasks, then Things is probably the way to go.

If you want flexibility in the way you deal with your todos and projects and even be able to work in phases when you have a lot of projects on hand, then OmniFocus is the way to go in my opinion.

12 Gedanken zu „OmniFocus and Things: A comparison

  1. Nice and comprehensive write up, Niels. I do admire the UI design of Things and even I wish that OmniFocus had a „simple mode“ every now and then. However, similar to your productivity journey I always recommend people to start really simple (pen & paper, text file, Apple’s Reminders app, …) and first out grow that solution before pondering about more sophisticated tools. And the end of this journey is typically OmniFocus, but you should only get there if you _really_ need that power house.

  2. Dear comment-readers, I’m sorry for being a bit lazy but i will write this comment in german 🙂

    Wow, was für ein umfangreicher Vergleich! Klasse.
    Mein Weg war ähnlich. Erst hatte ich Things, dann wechselte ich zu OF weil ich den OTA-Sync benötigte. Als Things diesen endlich auch hatte, schaute ich wieder zu Things und blieb dann auch dort.

    Die Views in OF fand ich immer verwirrend (auch weil die Suche danach vorgefiltert war, wie Du auch gemerkt hast) und führten dazu, dass ich oft (wichtige) Task nicht gesehen hatte. Die Erfassung am iPhone war nervig und langsam (beim Start erst ein langwieriger Sync…) und mit den Ordnern/Unterordnern hatte ich irgendwann auch mehr Probleme als Nutzen.

    Zurück bei Things war es anfangs zu simpel. Inzwischen fühle ich mich aber wohler damit. Einfacher, schneller und damit für mich zuverlässiger.

    Ich werde mal auf meinem Blog mein Fazit aus meinem Blickwinkel schreiben 🙂

  3. Hi Niels,

    great article. I am a heavy Things user but I will probably have a look at OF 2.

    One thing that bugged me was that I had quite some projects in my view but I realised a few weeks ago that the problem was not that Things (or any other product) didn’t let me handle a lot of projects. The problem was that I tried to handle such an amount of projects. A good article regarding limiting your work in progress can be found here: http://www.personalkanban.com/pk/primers/how-to-limit-your-work-in-progress-1calm-down-and-finish/

    So, I try to have not more than 10 projects active at the same time (which are probably still to many).

    It helps me to focus on the most important things at the moment and to really get things done. 🙂

    Best regards,
    Alex

    • Ok, so projects I have right now:

      Misc (in Things these are tasks without a projects)
      Shopping (you might use a shopping list, but a Todo-software is great for keeping those lists, and I can even add due dates if necessary and I like to keep things in one app)
      Home : Have a look at (stuff I find in the net I want to look at when I have some time free and I am at my computer
      Home : Household (tasks for cleaning the apartment etc)
      Administration : Some stuff I have to do to get some money
      Administration: Get a certain insurance
      Administration: kindergarden (some stuff I have to do because of the kindergarden my son is visiting)
      Administration : Library (inactive; when I have borrowed books from the library I add them here for a reminder to extend them or bring them back or some other administrative stuff is important for that))

      Master Thesis: Library State Library (see Administration : Library)
      Master Thesis: Questions (Questions I need to look into)
      And I need to create some more sub-projects for this big thing which will need 6 months+ to complete; a simple task list won’t be enough

      Work : Misc (Right now I have my work-projects in a taskpaper-file; no Mac at work and nothing to do from home)

      Hobby : Podcast [upcoming episode]
      Hobby : Podcast [current episode which isn’t yet published]
      Hobby : Japanese Myths (some stuff I want to look into)
      Hobby : ADN Client Feature Matrix
      Hobby : EMUI (the podcast from this site – mainly a list with topics which will become projects, when I select one to realize)
      Hobby : role playing session (have to do some stuff for that, too)
      Hobby : niels.kobschaetzki.net (inactive; becomes active when I have to do stuff for this site)
      Hobby : Podcast (when I have to do something for the Podcast from the first two projects in Hobby)

      Someday : Goals (goals I set myself – usually only for the current month)
      Someday : Games to playthrough (a list of games I want to beat one day)
      Someday : Someday (stuff I’d like to do sometime in the future)

      Reviews : Daily Review
      Reviews : Weekly Review
      Reviews : Monthly Review

      Templates : Podcast [episode name]
      Templates: Christmas cards (yep, once a year a lot of post cards and e-mails want to be sent out)
      Templates : Doctors bill
      Templates : Household (for the big weekly apartment-cleaning)

      That is just the list of the current projects. Right now there are no birthdays I have to do anything about, the sub-projects for my masters thesis are not fleshed out and I just enter everything in my trusted inbox. And the reviews, start and due dates help me to keep focussed.

      And this already is a mess in Things

  4. And of course: when there is for example a blog post to be written and it will be more than do an outline in OmniOutliner and write it down but I have to do some research it usually becomes a project, too. The reason is simple: I like to think in beforehand what I need to do, I know this can change but it makes it usually easier and more efficient.

  5. Well,

    I would consider the templates not as projects since they are, well, templates. 🙂

    I am also not so sure about the ongoing projects. I have some recurring tasks, like writing the quote of the day in our company chat and I handle these via recurring actions. (Things is creating a task every weekday, which I can check off then.)

    I, too, have somewhat 30 projects which could be started but every project added to my active projects would distract me a little bit more so I actively decided not to search for a new insurance now but to wait until I have done one or more of my other projects.

    During my weekly review I can than decide that I will promote one or more of my someday projects to active projects.

  6. But that’s one of the neat things of OmniFocus: thanks to the perspectives I can set it up in a way that I can focus on what is at hand. I can see as much or as few information as I need.

  7. Many thanks for this in-depth comparison! I have yet to test OF but have rigorously tested Things during the last couple of days and found quite the same issues as you, Niels, annoying, to be frank. It surely is heavily related to your own life but there are a couple of features missing where I cannot draw any other conclusion that CC folks have VERY different life and brain settings compared to mine.

    It begins with the simple fact that you cannot create a project in the inbox. You can start a task and assign it to an existing project but honestly: how far from reality is that? First you decide to throw a party, next you break it down into steps or sub-projects – not the other way round (send invitations, buy beverages, organize music etc)
    This brings me to the weakest point of Things: the lack sub-projects and the lack of connecting tasks that are interlinked, where one task cannot be executed before the other one is completed. Most projects do comprise „sub-projects“ and hence, it is inconvenient to handle these via workarounds rather than a solid, integrated solution within the app. No offense to the guy above who suggested having less projects: it may have been your solution but does not address at all the desire of folks like me who just love electronic support in handling their projects and strive for the best suiting GTD app.
    Similar to Niels‘, my projects are a mix of daily recurring tasks and to dos that occur only once or a few times per project. It’s therefore bugging me that again I have to create workaround in Things.
    Bottom line:
    I need to thouroughly test OF and may not be perfectly happy with it but Things disappointed me. The interface is seductive but the options are really limited, and workarounds if at all possible are time-consuming to create, maintain, and clutter the system further up. „Form follows function“ is my motto but with me and Things, it would be the other way round. However, the investment in an app should pay off by supporting and facilitating my daily work which Things failed to do.
    Off to download OF now …

    • You can convert a task to a project in Things, at least on the Mac. Move it from the Inbox to the Projects-Focus and it gets converted..
      Projects with sub-projects can be handled via Areas of Responsibility. FYI I am using Things right now for two weeks and it works pretty well after a short adjustment phase. Some things do not work that well, but right now I am enjoying it.

      Three things I really like about Things: the daily compilation of scheduled (which I use as start date) and due tasks. How it feels easy and fast to go through the next-list and add tasks to the today-list and the faster startup-time on the iPhone incl. the fast sync.

  8. Thanks, Niels, I figured these worarounds out but given the amount of projects and task I have, it’s time-consuming and inconvenient. OF may disappoint me as well but from all the reviews I’ve read so far, including yours, it should suit my needs better – though the interface isn’t very sexy. 😉 Thx again for having taken the time to compile this detailed comparison – one of the most insightful ones I’ve found on this subject.

  9. Hey You fellow taskmasters,

    I enjoyed the comparison of these two as well. I feel that You’re a bit biased towards OmniFocus, but that comes with the preference for one or the other.
    Personally, I used OF for the last three years- until I lost the grips on my OF database that grew like nothing and developed all kinds of niches wherein stuff would simply sit around and slow down my sync.
    End of october I freaked out and transferred my tasks to Things (great waste of time/ full review) and made a pledge to really try to make it work, even with the pile of stuff I gathered, until the end of the year.

    Your mileage might vary on this, but it is not as easy as simple structure = Things; complex structure = OF. I would like to add some depth to Your description of things in comparison to OF.

    – I found the active projects list bearing the same major limitation as You, but generally, I not only think that Things is less complex, it is so with an agenda:Any system more complex than the three layers of tasks, projects and Areas is prone to result in serious overload. This idea holds true for me at least.

    – due to the different restrictions in either app there is a completely different approach necessary in transition: most of my folders in OF became tags (people for instance, make more sense as tags than as contexts, since you might not only want to associate a task with a person, but with other criteria)

    – in tune with the personal kanban article above I decided to give some meaning to the term „active“ projects. It turns out that when I am putting everything out of sight into someday/maybe, that is not actively handled right now, I end up having 18-ish projects there which I can handle really well. If there’s need for any of the „sleeping“ stuff, the strong search engine gets it for me (in both apps, actually)

    – One can reorder anything to Your liking in things: the beauty of the today view is that You can simply drag/drop- reorder Your tasks to Your liking and design your personal hierarchy of stuff for the day. I talked to the Omni folks, this will remain a no-no in OF

    – repeating tasks are much more refined in Things: You can make repeats for tasks every 3rd monday of the month. This might seem geeky until one of Your monthly tasks for work is scheduled for a sunday 😉

    – reviews in things need more brains than in OF, but hey, weekly review is weekly review to me- the not so important projects can simply be skimmed in someday/ maybe, while the actionable stuff anyway congregates in your active projects. To me no real downside not being able to schedule review cycles

    – there actually are start dates in Things: they are hidden under the „scheduled“ area. So if You’re not going to do the task now, schedule it for another day and it will disappear from the project until that particular time- during review You can always blend these ones back in again.

    – in Things You are actually able to simply have tasks sitting in Your areas. It must be weird for folks not knowing the apps to read this, but actually You can’t simply place a task in a folder in OF- there needs to be a project. So Your project list substantially grows by including stuff like „misc Personal“ or „weekly review“. In Things this is simply a task in the „Personal“ area and a task that repeats weekly in the scheduled section, telling me to review the active projects

    So basically, to me it’s more a matter of taste and preference than a real matter of programs- I find myself being able to work a workload with equal complexity in Things as well as in OmniFocus- what differs is how You group your tasks (using tags heavier and subtasks-er- not at all ;-))…)… Let’s see what both companies have up their sleeve for their pending updates!

    Thanks again for this wonderful grounds for exchange,

    cheers, mat

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